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		<title>By: Dr Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://alecsothblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/reflections-in-the-helmet-shield/#comment-3206</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Gonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reflection in the helmet reminds me of the mirror in Van Eyck&#039;s &#039;Betrothal of the Arnolfini&#039; ( painted in 1434 ).

.. still an interesting effect some  573 years later !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reflection in the helmet reminds me of the mirror in Van Eyck&#8217;s &#8216;Betrothal of the Arnolfini&#8217; ( painted in 1434 ).</p>
<p>.. still an interesting effect some  573 years later !</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Alexander</title>
		<link>http://alecsothblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/reflections-in-the-helmet-shield/#comment-3205</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally got a hold of the issue of PDN. I can&#039;t think of two more diametrically opposed photographers than Koudelka and Crewdson. Alec, you wrote, &quot;Photography is a frustrating medium&quot; but could you imagine needing to have a couple of meetings with your line producer like Crewdson before even exposing any film!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally got a hold of the issue of PDN. I can&#8217;t think of two more diametrically opposed photographers than Koudelka and Crewdson. Alec, you wrote, &#8220;Photography is a frustrating medium&#8221; but could you imagine needing to have a couple of meetings with your line producer like Crewdson before even exposing any film!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tucker</title>
		<link>http://alecsothblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/reflections-in-the-helmet-shield/#comment-3204</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;

I know the feeling Mark. Isn’t it funny how we use the web to talk about how the web is making us crazy. I did it here:

http://alecsoth.com/blog/2007/05/21/back-online/

&gt;&gt;&gt;

It was S. Liu&#039;s last sentence that really nailed it. And it was that one image of Robert Frank&#039;s wife, in the passenger seat of that car, that really slapped me upside the head. I just know that certain mindset that you get into, when you&#039;re driving and shooting and exploring, and you&#039;re &quot;on&quot;, like someone else said, &quot;antennae up&quot;, (maybe Martin Parr). But just that AMOUNT of time allows you to think, and to sink in, and to let your internal clock just slow down a tad. It&#039;s just got to be healthy.

I was just trying to put my head inside of Robert Frank&#039;s head, as he was driving, driving, driving, and roaming around, and shooting those classic images, and just wondering how it would be different if the same project would be tackled in the year 2007.

I also wonder how this &quot;speed-up&quot; affects younger photographers, with their iPhones, and their text messaging, and their &quot;got to be in touch 24/7&quot; way of living. Just wondering if their time increments are now just so much shorter.

Lots to think about, on this topic, but I gotta run -- I hear my iPhone ringing...</description>
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<p>I know the feeling Mark. Isn’t it funny how we use the web to talk about how the web is making us crazy. I did it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://alecsoth.com/blog/2007/05/21/back-online/" rel="nofollow">http://alecsoth.com/blog/2007/05/21/back-online/</a></p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>It was S. Liu&#8217;s last sentence that really nailed it. And it was that one image of Robert Frank&#8217;s wife, in the passenger seat of that car, that really slapped me upside the head. I just know that certain mindset that you get into, when you&#8217;re driving and shooting and exploring, and you&#8217;re &#8220;on&#8221;, like someone else said, &#8220;antennae up&#8221;, (maybe Martin Parr). But just that AMOUNT of time allows you to think, and to sink in, and to let your internal clock just slow down a tad. It&#8217;s just got to be healthy.</p>
<p>I was just trying to put my head inside of Robert Frank&#8217;s head, as he was driving, driving, driving, and roaming around, and shooting those classic images, and just wondering how it would be different if the same project would be tackled in the year 2007.</p>
<p>I also wonder how this &#8220;speed-up&#8221; affects younger photographers, with their iPhones, and their text messaging, and their &#8220;got to be in touch 24/7&#8243; way of living. Just wondering if their time increments are now just so much shorter.</p>
<p>Lots to think about, on this topic, but I gotta run &#8212; I hear my iPhone ringing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Soth</title>
		<link>http://alecsothblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/reflections-in-the-helmet-shield/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Soth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the feeling Mark. Isn&#039;t it funny how we use the web to talk about how the web is making us crazy. I did it here:

http://alecsoth.com/blog/2007/05/21/back-online/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the feeling Mark. Isn&#8217;t it funny how we use the web to talk about how the web is making us crazy. I did it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://alecsoth.com/blog/2007/05/21/back-online/" rel="nofollow">http://alecsoth.com/blog/2007/05/21/back-online/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tucker</title>
		<link>http://alecsothblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/reflections-in-the-helmet-shield/#comment-3202</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, I cannot get this S. Liu quote out of my head:

&quot;By their own nature, candid photography and poetry are not produced at industrial scale. That is why they are hard to make and even harder to market. Our society demands big and expensive projects that take months and years to make but seconds and minutes to consume.&quot;

Everything is speeding up at breakneck speed, and I notice that I just blow through these Blogs, and bodies of work like I&#039;m eating M&amp;Ms or popcorn. I know you can&#039;t stop time, and you can&#039;t even slow it down, but it does make you wonder about how people are viewing work today, on the web, at broadband speeds, versus how they used to view bodies of work, even five or ten years ago.

I remember my &quot;old method&quot; of viewing work -- I&#039;d get in the car, and drive out to our local independent bookstore, and I&#039;d walk over to the Photography section, and I&#039;d pull up a wooden bench, and it was like a small, quiet search for New Gold -- to see what new books had been published since I&#039;d been there last, and hopefully someone else had already secretly busted open the cellophane wrapper, so I wouldn&#039;t have to do it and feel guilty. I&#039;d sit there for sometimes hours at a time, slowly turning the pages, and smelling the ink, and really pondering the images. In its own small way, it was a special event.

Now, I get up in the morning, make my coffee, check my email, (while some of the Blog pages are loading in Firefox), let my dogs out, and I blow thru the blogs at wildwire speed. Now, I&#039;ve discovered Google Reader, so now, I&#039;m not inconvenienced by having to go to someone&#039;s &quot;old page&quot; (maybe as old as three or four days!). I&#039;m viewing these images on a laptop screen, (while checking my email if the page doesn&#039;t load fast enough for my new impatient standards), and usually am also doing one or two other things at the same time. The thought of having to get in the car, and drive to Borders or another &quot;real&quot; bookstore, and hassle with parking, and door dings, and the like, and risk getting there and there has been no new work published, well, that is just unthinkable.

The only upside, (and it&#039;s a real upside), to the web version versus the printed book version, is that I&#039;m seeing work from MANY more people. I guess that&#039;s a good thing.

I&#039;m not sure what I&#039;m trying to say, but life is just blowing by me lately, and I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s all a positive thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, I cannot get this S. Liu quote out of my head:</p>
<p>&#8220;By their own nature, candid photography and poetry are not produced at industrial scale. That is why they are hard to make and even harder to market. Our society demands big and expensive projects that take months and years to make but seconds and minutes to consume.&#8221;</p>
<p>Everything is speeding up at breakneck speed, and I notice that I just blow through these Blogs, and bodies of work like I&#8217;m eating M&amp;Ms or popcorn. I know you can&#8217;t stop time, and you can&#8217;t even slow it down, but it does make you wonder about how people are viewing work today, on the web, at broadband speeds, versus how they used to view bodies of work, even five or ten years ago.</p>
<p>I remember my &#8220;old method&#8221; of viewing work &#8212; I&#8217;d get in the car, and drive out to our local independent bookstore, and I&#8217;d walk over to the Photography section, and I&#8217;d pull up a wooden bench, and it was like a small, quiet search for New Gold &#8212; to see what new books had been published since I&#8217;d been there last, and hopefully someone else had already secretly busted open the cellophane wrapper, so I wouldn&#8217;t have to do it and feel guilty. I&#8217;d sit there for sometimes hours at a time, slowly turning the pages, and smelling the ink, and really pondering the images. In its own small way, it was a special event.</p>
<p>Now, I get up in the morning, make my coffee, check my email, (while some of the Blog pages are loading in Firefox), let my dogs out, and I blow thru the blogs at wildwire speed. Now, I&#8217;ve discovered Google Reader, so now, I&#8217;m not inconvenienced by having to go to someone&#8217;s &#8220;old page&#8221; (maybe as old as three or four days!). I&#8217;m viewing these images on a laptop screen, (while checking my email if the page doesn&#8217;t load fast enough for my new impatient standards), and usually am also doing one or two other things at the same time. The thought of having to get in the car, and drive to Borders or another &#8220;real&#8221; bookstore, and hassle with parking, and door dings, and the like, and risk getting there and there has been no new work published, well, that is just unthinkable.</p>
<p>The only upside, (and it&#8217;s a real upside), to the web version versus the printed book version, is that I&#8217;m seeing work from MANY more people. I guess that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what I&#8217;m trying to say, but life is just blowing by me lately, and I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s all a positive thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hancock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. Reading that Crewdson article in PDN exhausted me.  More like film making than photography.

Thanks for the wonderful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Reading that Crewdson article in PDN exhausted me.  More like film making than photography.</p>
<p>Thanks for the wonderful post.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Badillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Badillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to Alec&#039;s first statement &quot;I’m glad I didn’t have to take this picture. All of that equipment looks like a drag&quot; I totally agree. Theres always gonna be 2 schools of thought, but for me, I always want the option to get up and go if I want to. Move around, follow the light. Not have to dismantle 4 lights, battery packs etc. Even if I had a crew the way Mark has for the VF shoot, I still would want to be able to move around. To me thats what photography is about. Finding whats out there. Even in fashion. David Lachapelle is amazing in what he does, but I would rather take a Bruce Weber image or Helmut Newton anytime!
    This kinda happened to me at a shoot I did last month. the client hired 2 photographers. When I arrived, the other photographer asked where my equipment was, I said it was in my trunk. When we got to the location, I got out my 2 bags, set up my camera and flash and went to work with the models. I had literally taken 200 shots before he set up his 2 light system.  I was running around with all the models getting all kinds of shots and bringing movement and fun into the photographs. End result, the client called me 2 weeks later for another shoot, by myself. As long as your happy, has always been my thought, and this &quot;way&quot; makes me happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to Alec&#8217;s first statement &#8220;I’m glad I didn’t have to take this picture. All of that equipment looks like a drag&#8221; I totally agree. Theres always gonna be 2 schools of thought, but for me, I always want the option to get up and go if I want to. Move around, follow the light. Not have to dismantle 4 lights, battery packs etc. Even if I had a crew the way Mark has for the VF shoot, I still would want to be able to move around. To me thats what photography is about. Finding whats out there. Even in fashion. David Lachapelle is amazing in what he does, but I would rather take a Bruce Weber image or Helmut Newton anytime!<br />
    This kinda happened to me at a shoot I did last month. the client hired 2 photographers. When I arrived, the other photographer asked where my equipment was, I said it was in my trunk. When we got to the location, I got out my 2 bags, set up my camera and flash and went to work with the models. I had literally taken 200 shots before he set up his 2 light system.  I was running around with all the models getting all kinds of shots and bringing movement and fun into the photographs. End result, the client called me 2 weeks later for another shoot, by myself. As long as your happy, has always been my thought, and this &#8220;way&#8221; makes me happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Feli di Giorgio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feli di Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:

The name of the Kavlar book is &#039;Terriens&#039;, not &#039;Earthlings&#039;,
although that would make a good title for a book.

Feli</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:</p>
<p>The name of the Kavlar book is &#8216;Terriens&#8217;, not &#8216;Earthlings&#8217;,<br />
although that would make a good title for a book.</p>
<p>Feli</p>
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		<title>By: w robert angell</title>
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		<dc:creator>w robert angell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that story is hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that story is hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember back in about 1981 or so, I was a young kid, living in Los Angeles, working as a commercial photo assistant. I had come out of a photojournalism program, (Western Ky. University), but at that time, in my eyes, Winogrand was God. I followed everything he did. I&#039;d never seen a picture of him, and always wondered what he was like. The rumor was that he hung out in the mornings in Farmers Market, at the corner of 3rd and Fairfax, and he&#039;d sit there and drink coffee and watch people. I always wanted to go there and figure out which one he was.

At some point, I&#039;d stopped assisting and was preparing to move back East, and I had (what I thought) was a great idea, to come back to my home town and photograph these local politicians in my town, ala Avedon, (my other God). So one morning, I got up the nerve, and I found Garry Winogrand&#039;s phone number (on directory assistance!), and I called him on the phone, and asked him what he thought of the idea. He listened for a few seconds, and then started screaming at me about &quot;how could I ever think about this until I&#039;d actually shot the pictures!&quot;, or something to that degree. Imagine Tom Waits, with that voice, being really irritated.

At that point, with my tail between my legs, I politely hung up the phone and thanked him for his time. It was a great lesson for a young kid -- that the cart comes BEFORE the horse.

PS. Here&#039;s a Lee Friedlander picture of him, dated 1957. Somehow, Gary Busey comes to mind:

http://tinyurl.com/2wp5su</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember back in about 1981 or so, I was a young kid, living in Los Angeles, working as a commercial photo assistant. I had come out of a photojournalism program, (Western Ky. University), but at that time, in my eyes, Winogrand was God. I followed everything he did. I&#8217;d never seen a picture of him, and always wondered what he was like. The rumor was that he hung out in the mornings in Farmers Market, at the corner of 3rd and Fairfax, and he&#8217;d sit there and drink coffee and watch people. I always wanted to go there and figure out which one he was.</p>
<p>At some point, I&#8217;d stopped assisting and was preparing to move back East, and I had (what I thought) was a great idea, to come back to my home town and photograph these local politicians in my town, ala Avedon, (my other God). So one morning, I got up the nerve, and I found Garry Winogrand&#8217;s phone number (on directory assistance!), and I called him on the phone, and asked him what he thought of the idea. He listened for a few seconds, and then started screaming at me about &#8220;how could I ever think about this until I&#8217;d actually shot the pictures!&#8221;, or something to that degree. Imagine Tom Waits, with that voice, being really irritated.</p>
<p>At that point, with my tail between my legs, I politely hung up the phone and thanked him for his time. It was a great lesson for a young kid &#8212; that the cart comes BEFORE the horse.</p>
<p>PS. Here&#8217;s a Lee Friedlander picture of him, dated 1957. Somehow, Gary Busey comes to mind:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2wp5su" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2wp5su</a></p>
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